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post #11 of 62 (permalink) Old 06-30-2015, 02:04 PM
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They're certainly upping their game and I will test drive one. They have knob-equipped infotainment, so they score points over the civic there.

I really dislike this trend towards less and less visibility and headroom, which appears to be case again in this new cruze by the looks of that rear window. I've test driven several compacts now, and in all of them I felt the visibility was poor and in a few of them my head is touching, or near touching the roof, putting it in my field of vision when driving like wearing a ballcap. The salesmen try to dismiss it as that's just how compacts are, but I have probably 4 inches of headroom in my 2001 civic and far noticeably better visibility, especially out the rear.
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They're certainly upping their game and I will test drive one. They have knob-equipped infotainment, so they score points over the civic there.

I really dislike this trend towards less and less visibility and headroom, which appears to be case again in this new cruze by the looks of that rear window. I've test driven several compacts now, and in all of them I felt the visibility was poor and in a few of them my head is touching, or near touching the roof, putting it in my field of vision when driving like wearing a ballcap. The salesmen try to dismiss it as that's just how compacts are, but I have probably 4 inches of headroom in my 2001 civic and far noticeably better visibility, especially out the rear.
Part of the smaller windows, less visibility has to do with the strict US safety standards for cars. They are having to pack more and more safety equipment into the cars, more supports, etc. Its eating up space for windows. Hence why backup cameras are popular. Its not all the fault of stylists, they have to adhere to rules that weren't around 5-10 years ago. Its also why cars are getting bigger and heavier. Thankfully new tech in high strength steel and aluminum is bringing the weight back down. Our safety standards are the reason why cars in Japan that weigh under a ton end up 400-700 pounds heavier by time they come here. The windows are the same problem, there are standards on how low/high the hood and trunk lids can be in terms of pedestrian collision safety, higher deck lids means more sloped windows unless we want all our cars to be super tall.

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They're certainly upping their game and I will test drive one. They have knob-equipped infotainment, so they score points over the civic there.

I really dislike this trend towards less and less visibility and headroom, which appears to be case again in this new cruze by the looks of that rear window. I've test driven several compacts now, and in all of them I felt the visibility was poor and in a few of them my head is touching, or near touching the roof, putting it in my field of vision when driving like wearing a ballcap. The salesmen try to dismiss it as that's just how compacts are, but I have probably 4 inches of headroom in my 2001 civic and far noticeably better visibility, especially out the rear.
I think automakers are discounting rear window visibility partly because rear view cameras are becoming more and more common. Honda is making them standard in all vehicles this model year.
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post #14 of 62 (permalink) Old 07-03-2015, 01:47 PM
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I think automakers are discounting rear window visibility partly because rear view cameras are becoming more and more common. Honda is making them standard in all vehicles this model year.
Quite possibly. Visibility is still something that I'd like, but I guess I am willing to sacrifice it a bit for some style as long as the camera works well as a replacement.

Is that a trade-off you guys are willing to make too?
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I compare our '13 9th Gen. Civic against our '03 Mazda P5. The windows are smaller and the windowsills higher in the Civic. Also, the rear window view is much smaller in the Civic. One of the things I liked with the Civic was the great backup camera with the factory Navi unit. I'm older (68), and stiffer, so turning around in the seat to try to see out the back window is more of a chore than when I was younger. The camera offers three different views out the back and I use them all, at one time or another. The color rendition is a bit off, but the view is a great addition. You can adjust the brightness if things are dark behind (and the auto brightness doesn't work as you'd like) and you can turn off the grid lines if you want. I view (pun intended) this camera system as a standard for the next car we buy.
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COnsidering how easy it is to put in the vehicle and the immense practicality of it, it really should be in all cars now basically. I'm sure it could save a few lives and far more dents and dings.
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I compare our '13 9th Gen. Civic against our '03 Mazda P5. The windows are smaller and the windowsills higher in the Civic. Also, the rear window view is much smaller in the Civic. One of the things I liked with the Civic was the great backup camera with the factory Navi unit. I'm older (68), and stiffer, so turning around in the seat to try to see out the back window is more of a chore than when I was younger. The camera offers three different views out the back and I use them all, at one time or another. The color rendition is a bit off, but the view is a great addition. You can adjust the brightness if things are dark behind (and the auto brightness doesn't work as you'd like) and you can turn off the grid lines if you want. I view (pun intended) this camera system as a standard for the next car we buy.
That auto brightness is something that needs to be improved even for smartphones.

Having experience with high quality cameras, those have amazing auto systems as you can imagine, that level of auto adjustment would be great to have for driving.
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post #18 of 62 (permalink) Old 07-09-2015, 04:08 PM
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I've also seen many concepts that have side windows that are slivers or even non-existent. I am thinking that cameras could replace mirrors altogether eventually. Especially as there is more and more other automatic safety technology coming into vehicles.
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In those cameras I can see self-driving tech being implemented, tech that lets you know its safe to merge if that's what you need to do.

Even then i'd still be in the habit of checking where i'll merge myself.
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Just thought I would post up this render of the Cruze as a hatchback. What do you guys think?

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