2016 Civic almost didn't get the new 1.5t

g26okie · 2015-10-12

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151011/OEM03/310129999/how-the-civic-got-its-turbo Also, looks like the redesign of the Accord has it getting the turbo as few in a couple of years.

RobbJK88

· #2 · Oct 12, 2015

Very interesting read.

Not shocked the next accord will be getting a turbo. I could see them either using a detuned 2.0T for the base engine or the 1.5T uptuned. Eventually honda will replace the v6, and we know the 2.0T makes enough grunt to do that, but for now i see them sticking with the v6 that everyone loves so much (it's more efficient than most of the small turbos other mid size cars are using anyway). The 1.5T could easily be up tuned to make 190hp and replace the current 2.4 in the base accords.

I also remember, back in an article, when honda was debuting its new turbo engine that eventually we could even see the 1.5T become standard on the civic and the 2.0 could go away completely... most likely after honda recoups the cost of development through sales and how well the turbo is received worldwide. Either a mid model change or for the 11th gen i could see that being the case.

Most likely the CRV could be getting a turbo for it's next generation as well. And i think the HRV would benefit greatly either from the 2.0 in the new civic or the 1.5T which although sales have been strong so far, the engine has been the biggest complaint.

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g26okie

Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 12, 2015

I am really glad they decided to push to get the turbo into the new model and really shake things up with a 170-180hp motor right off the bat. While I am mainly interested in the Si, I could mentally swing the 1.5t (I already have, just waiting for the Si specs/trans options).

If the only engine offered was going to be the 2.0 at 150hp like what it sounds was the original plan, I wouldn't be interested at all.

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10thGenCivic

· #4 · Oct 12, 2015 (Edited)

I am normally a Mopar fan but after giving the 2014 Accord a chance I liked the Accord and still do. Excellent fuel economy and a 9.9 on build quality. Just needs less road noise. The car is a great daily driver.

The 2016 Civic is the first Honda to really get me excited in a long time. It has a refined design that presents class. I cannot see this as being seen as a plain car like the 2015 and prior Civics. It has a soul. I am looking at this as a possible purchase.

I would even consider the 2.0L EX trim if it performs well.

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5TAR

· #5 · Oct 13, 2015

10thGenCivic said:
I am normally a Mopar fan but after giving the 2014 Accord a chance I liked the Accord and still do. Excellent fuel economy and a 9.9 on build quality. Just needs less road noise. The car is a great daily driver.

The 2016 Civic is the first Honda to really get me excited in a long time. It has a refined design that presents class. I cannot see this as being seen as a plain car like the 2015 and prior Civics. It has a soul. I am looking at this as a possible purchase.

I would even consider the 2.0L EX trim if it performs well.

Only downside to a Mopar fan is that unlike one of it's Mopar rivals, it isn't RWD, I know to some folks that's important.

What Mopar vehicles have you owned?

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10thGenCivic

· #6 · Oct 14, 2015 (Edited)

5TAR said:
Only downside to a Mopar fan is that unlike one of it's Mopar rivals, it isn't RWD, I know to some folks that's important.

What Mopar vehicles have you owned?

In my opinion rear wheel drive comes out ahead of front wheel drive for fun. Honda has the build quality, reliability and value but Dodge has the fun and on some cars the design but unfortunately higher cost of ownership. Maybe the reliability ratings would be a little higher if they did not market their cars being beaten on. Just YouTube the Hellcat extended commercial. Dodge now is not the junk rust Dodge of the 90's and 2000's. It is definitely better. The difference between the worst rated cars and best is not much. If any car make was that bad you would see their new cars on the side of the road very often. There is no common trend on today's roads. There is truly no bad cars.

I suggest for fun anyone go drive a 2015 or 2016 Dodge Charger or Challenger 5.7L Hemi V8 with 370 horsepower with the eight speed automatic. The new Charger in my opinion is not a great looker but that is my opinion. I would not recommend it but when I test drove without a salesman I turned on Sport Mode and turned the traction off at a stop. If someone can hold the car straight through 1st and 2nd gear I would be impressed because I had a hard time. I only recommend trained drivers who know rear wheel drive. Its a at your own risk type thing. Use good judgement. Tires smoking through second. Punch it at 25 MPH but with the traction on to get the idea. Even my 2014 Charger can hit 60 in 5.2 with the old durable but slow shifting Mercedes W5A580 5 speed automatic and that's the base 5.7L Hemi 370 horsepower V8. Not sure what the Type R Civic will do but I am sure it will be quick. There is also the 6.4L Hemi V8 with 485 horsepower or the 6.2L Hemi Supercharged Hellcat V8 with 707 horsepower. There is no replacement for displacement.

I try to be unbiased. The Honda just goes and goes with a cheap cost of operation and resale. I could have bought a 3.6L V6 305 horsepower Charger BUT WHAT IS THE POINT? Honda Accord just made the most sense for a daily work car. There are pluses and minuses to both cars. If Honda built a rear wheel drive Civic I'd be on that. However it would not make sense.

Owned:
1993 Dodge Dakota 3.9L 42RH 3.55
1993 Dodge Ram 150 5.9L A518 3.54
1997 Dodge Ram 1500 5.2L 46RE 3.55
2001 Dodge Dakota 4.7L 42RE 3.55
2006 Dodge Charger R/T 5.7L W5A580 2.82
2014 Dodge Charger R/T 5.7L W5A580 2.65

I am looking at the Civic as a new car purchase. believe the styling is great. The dash and interior has class. It's modern with great features. The engine offerings will offer the non performance oriented trims below SI excitement. I have a feeling it will be great to hop in and drive. This Civic in my opinion will be a complete 180 over its predecessor. I am excited over it. So far I give it two thumbs up!

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Design

· #7 · Oct 14, 2015

Good find, great article. HOA seems to be making all the right decisions this time around.

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Smartie

· #8 · Oct 14, 2015

Put the 1.5t in the Fit and watch all the fan boys flock, that thing would be a pocket rocket

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RobbJK88

· #9 · Oct 14, 2015

Smartie said:
Put the 1.5t in the Fit and watch all the fan boys flock, that thing would be a pocket rocket

I've mentioned this before... making a Fit Si that would be more in line with the Fiesta ST while the civic goes for the larger GTI and Focus ST... i have a feeling a Fit Si would sell pretty well, not like the production costs would be too much more, as long as the 1.5T fit in the car.

I still wouldn't buy one... just because i like my car to have at least some semblance of being good looking/sexy and i don't see the fit in that way at all... but i know quite a few people who'd be interested in that.

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Smartie

· #10 · Oct 14, 2015

RobbJK88 said:
I've mentioned this before... making a Fit Si that would be more in line with the Fiesta ST while the civic goes for the larger GTI and Focus ST... i have a feeling a Fit Si would sell pretty well, not like the production costs would be too much more, as long as the 1.5T fit in the car.

I still wouldn't buy one... just because i like my car to have at least some semblance of being good looking/sexy and i don't see the fit in that way at all... but i know quite a few people who'd be interested in that.

I know there are a bunch of crazies out in SE asia who are boosting the natural 1.5 http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.0

Also, the current CTR is based on the Fit, although I'm not sure if the bay was modified...

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RobbJK88

· #11 · Oct 14, 2015

Smartie said:
I know there are a bunch of crazies out in SE asia who are boosting the natural 1.5 http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.0

Also, the current CTR is based on the Fit, although I'm not sure if the bay was modified...

It's a slightly stretched fit platform... so i'd have to assume the size of the engine bay is larger in the current hatch than it is in the fit. But it already fits a 1.5... so im sure it'd fit the 1.5T

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· #12 · Oct 14, 2015

RobbJK88 said:
It's a slightly stretched fit platform... so i'd have to assume the size of the engine bay is larger in the current hatch than it is in the fit. But it already fits a 1.5... so im sure it'd fit the 1.5T

yea I'm not sure where the stretch took place, but AFAIK when platform sharing the manufacturers will typically try and keep the firewall in one place, especially for modular platforms. (which I know the Fits is not, just saying)

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5TAR

· #13 · Oct 14, 2015

Easiest place to stretch is going forward extending from the area ahead of the firewall, only cost effective way I can think of that they'll go, but I could be wrong.

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Tim

· #14 · Oct 14, 2015

10thGenCivic said:
In my opinion rear wheel drive comes out ahead of front wheel drive for fun. Honda has the build quality, reliability and value but Dodge has the fun and on some cars the design but unfortunately higher cost of ownership. Maybe the reliability ratings would be a little higher if they did not market their cars being beaten on. Just YouTube the Hellcat extended commercial. Dodge now is not the junk rust Dodge of the 90's and 2000's. It is definitely better. The difference between the worst rated cars and best is not much. If any car make was that bad you would see their new cars on the side of the road very often. There is no common trend on today's roads. There is truly no bad cars.

I suggest for fun anyone go drive a 2015 or 2016 Dodge Charger or Challenger 5.7L Hemi V8 with 370 horsepower with the eight speed automatic. The new Charger in my opinion is not a great looker but that is my opinion. I would not recommend it but when I test drove without a salesman I turned on Sport Mode and turned the traction off at a stop. If someone can hold the car straight through 1st and 2nd gear I would be impressed because I had a hard time. I only recommend trained drivers who know rear wheel drive. Its a at your own risk type thing. Use good judgement. Tires smoking through second. Punch it at 25 MPH but with the traction on to get the idea. Even my 2014 Charger can hit 60 in 5.2 with the old durable but slow shifting Mercedes W5A580 5 speed automatic and that's the base 5.7L Hemi 370 horsepower V8. Not sure what the Type R Civic will do but I am sure it will be quick. There is also the 6.4L Hemi V8 with 485 horsepower or the 6.2L Hemi Supercharged Hellcat V8 with 707 horsepower. There is no replacement for displacement.

I try to be unbiased. The Honda just goes and goes with a cheap cost of operation and resale. I could have bought a 3.6L V6 305 horsepower Charger BUT WHAT IS THE POINT? Honda Accord just made the most sense for a daily work car. There are pluses and minuses to both cars. If Honda built a rear wheel drive Civic I'd be on that. However it would not make sense.

Owned:
1993 Dodge Dakota 3.9L 42RH 3.55
1993 Dodge Ram 150 5.9L A518 3.54
1997 Dodge Ram 1500 5.2L 46RE 3.55
2001 Dodge Dakota 4.7L 42RE 3.55
2006 Dodge Charger R/T 5.7L W5A580 2.82
2014 Dodge Charger R/T 5.7L W5A580 2.65

I am looking at the Civic as a new car purchase. believe the styling is great. The dash and interior has class. It's modern with great features. The engine offerings will offer the non performance oriented trims below SI excitement. I have a feeling it will be great to hop in and drive. This Civic in my opinion will be a complete 180 over its predecessor. I am excited over it. So far I give it two thumbs up!

I agree with you to some extent: the first two:three years there are (almost) no bad cars. It's the years that come after those that will tell if it's a truly great car or not

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