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Just about every vehicle out there has something about it that can be improved and the 2016 Civic Sedan is no different. Being a big improvement over the current outgoing 9th Generation model, there's a lot of positive things to say which has been covered extensively over the last couple months. Not talked about enough since release are its downsides, some which we will be pointing out here and to start is its CVT everyone has been talking about...



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Saps Performance

If you demand good get-up-and-go, opt for the manual, still test the CVT, but just know where it's lacking:

Performance from the naturally-aspirated 2.0L four-cylinder compares favorably to the competition when equipped with the six-speed manual, but the CVT option saps most of its get-up-and-go. While the engine sounds like it is working hard under full throttle, the CVT prevents that noise from being turned into any kind of significant forward progress.
- LeftLaneNews

Falls Short On Low End

While it does lack on the low end, once up to speed and at a higher rev range, you shouldn’t be disappointed:

The 2.0-liter, on the other hand, loses steam unless you keep it towards the higher end of the rev range, something that is hard to do when a belt system is controlling the power output. We had a chance to sample a bone-stock, 6-speed-manual Civic LX with the naturally aspirated unit, and its operating procedure was much more typical of Hondas past: rev the heck out of it to get ample power.
- NYDailyNews

Lacks Manual or Paddle Shifters

To make up for these woes we hope Honda considers more manual-like feel:

The lack of a manual mode or paddle shifters was disappointing, but it does bring stellar economy: 7.6 L/100 km in the city and 5.5 on the highway, and this is all in spite of being two seconds faster than the 2.0-litre engine. It also consumes regular gasoline.
- Driving.ca
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Cheap Interior

Finding a complaint about interior feel being cheap wasn’t common, but AutoWeek did find this to be the case. What do you guys think?:

The interior on the base LX feels a little cheap considering Honda’s promise of premium appointments at entry-level pricing.
- AutoWeek
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Sloping Roof Line

Getting into the rear is reported doable for passengers over 6tt but getting in/out may present an issue with the sloping roof line:

The sloping roofline affects passenger entry into the rear, and it’s visually hard to believe there’s more back-seat space as the official specs attest. You do seem to sit deeper into the rear bench, so friend and family ride-alongs should be fine as long as they’re not terribly tall and won’t bump their heads getting in and out.
- MotorTrend
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Footwell Issue

Along with getting in/out being a possible issue for taller passengers, what’s included in the rear passenger footwell area won’t help:

The cabin felt roomy, with more headroom and legroom than expected in the back seats (passengers well over six feet tall fit comfortably), and the interior is quieter than in past Civics. One quibble: there is a shelf-like platform on the bottom of either side of the back seats, which takes away foot room on the sides and makes it harder to get out.
- KBB
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Thick C-Pillars

Checking blind spots is super important and unfortunately the thick c-pillars aren’t helping, fortunately we do have tech to fill although it will take some time to get used to:

The story is a little different at the rear of the Civic where thick C-pillars can block the driver's view. However, the Civic does come with Honda's Lane Watch, which uses a camera mounted on the passenger's side mirror to project any potential hazards lurking in the side blind spot on the car's infotainment screen. The system automatically activates anytime the right-hand turn signal is turned on.
- LeftLaneNews
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Volume Slider Button

A number of reports talk about the volume slider button, while a small issue, it can make changing volume levels more involved than what you’ve been used to:

The screen itself offers good resolution and is general response to touch inputs. The unit also supports the latest Apple CarPlay and Android Auto systems. However, we still can't get used to the volume slider button. To make matters worse, that slider has migrated to the steering wheel where it is just as difficult to make incremental volume changes. Luckily you can still click up or down, in addition to the slide feature, if you choose.
- LeftLaneNews.com
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Better Value Elsewhere

Unfortunately, after looking at what else is available throughout the segment you may discover that the all-new 2016 Civic may not check all the boxes for you:

Another factor that will likely drive some buyers to the Civic's competition is its price. While the Honda's price tag is reasonable, and while its class-leading fuel efficiency adds to its value proposition, the fact remains that a number of rather nice compact cars sell for less money. The Toyota Corolla – for many buyers, the top competitor to the Civic – doesn't have the Honda's polished driving dynamics or long list of features, but it's generally pleasant to drive and generally costs several thousand dollars less than the Civic, depending on what options you want. The Hyundai Elantra is another strong value proposition – the Civic is probably better in each way (except the simplicity of its controls), but not necessarily so much better that it's worth paying a lot more for.

And if you're craving the most driving enjoyment from a compact economy car, you'll still want to shop the Mazda3. If the Mazda's higher price and tighter interior volume make you cross it off your list, the Civic's performance isn't half bad, but it would be a car you're accepting rather than truly desiring.
- Examiner.com
 

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The CVT comment seems to disagree with what alot of people are saying in reality. How about that Vbox test where the 1.5T shuffled the quarter much faster then the 6MT Si.

The CVT keeps the car in its sweet spot. Don't care how good LLN thinks they are at driving, not shifting is FAR faster then having to shift...
 

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One thing that people need to understand that just because the Civic now has the word "turbo" associated with it..it doesn't equal performance. Many cars out there such as the Chevy Cruze has turbo and it feels like it needs that turbo just to keep with with speed. This may be the case for the 1.5T as well. Adding a turbo on such a small platform can net put more power and turboing a car paired with good driving, can net more mpg too. Which is what Honda was going for I think. Many will drive the car and say "oh it has turbo? nice. it should be fast" They'll soon realize the car isn't as fast as they thought and will down play the car. If you look at how much Honda has grown the Civic you'll appreciate everything the 2016 Civic has. Not everything on the Civic is good even in my own eyes. I hate the steering wheel volume sensing. Sometimes when I turn I slide against it and my music gets blasted. The power is ok. I hope tuners out there will be able to find a way to squeeze out more power from the stock set up for those of us who do desire performance. All in all. The 2016 Honda Civic is a great start in the right direction. Nothing is perfect the first time around and Honda obviously can't please everyone. With everyone going "green" these days they choose to go that way too. If the Civic sedan and coupe focused on performance alone, the sales numbers will be low. But that's the great thing about Hondas. They give you a good platform to work with and the canvas is yours for the making.
 

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Maybe bolting a turbo to a 1.5T gets Honda to post good MPG numbers, and by adding the small turbo it brings the HP up to an acceptable level for a daily driver. Are the MPG numbers posted based on not utilizing the turbo ?
 

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Most of these are very minor, or they vary from person to person. I am 6 ft 2 inches tall and I got in and out of the back and front just fine. I liked the interior and plastics, I know how a CVT works and it will not hurt my feelings. I too kinda dislike them when flat out standing on the accelerator but then again, I only usually do that a lot when the car is not mine. Like if I was a car reviewer.... How often literally are you doing 0-60 on the floor starts? I'm a sporting driver and even I don't do that daily, or weekly. (at least not to a car that I own and pay repairs on!) I used the volume slider and button, works exactly as I expected it to.

Paddle shifters are an odd omission, my HR-V has them for crying out loud! Not exactly a sporting ride and it has them so you would think the Civic would have them for sure. Infotainment bugs are concerning and I would say that is job one to fix ASAP for the Civic team. Sensing seems buggy from many reports too so that seems as if a firmware or software tweak or three needs done. I was considering getting it but after early reviews I think I'll skip this generation of sensing. Maybe there will be some fixes coming before I buy though.
 

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Are the MPG numbers posted based on not utilizing the turbo ?
They're based on the test cycles. In turn, you can bet the engine has been tuned to use a minimum of boost to drive the cycles. This is the legal version of what VW was doing with TDI emissions.
 

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They're based on the test cycles. In turn, you can bet the engine has been tuned to use a minimum of boost to drive the cycles. This is the legal version of what VW was doing with TDI emissions.
That low boost setting might also be for reliability, I think demanding too much of it can start to tap into reliability.
 

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I think people just don't like CVTs, it's not really the Civic's CVT in particular. People just aren't used to how they feel, and that makes them think something is wrong.
 

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I've been around CVTs for quite some time, but not in a commuter type vehicle. I agree with some of the posts above, a lot of the discontent is undoubtedly caused by inexperience. While I would not buy a CVT Civic, I can appreciate the benefits it does provide. They just do not outweigh the downsides, for me.
 

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I've been around CVTs for quite some time, but not in a commuter type vehicle. I agree with some of the posts above, a lot of the discontent is undoubtedly caused by inexperience. While I would not buy a CVT Civic, I can appreciate the benefits it does provide. They just do not outweigh the downsides, for me.
I agree, out of the information out there on the CVT setup, it's not what will discourage me from getting one if that ends up being the case. However I see this more of something to be aware of in comparison to what else is available in the industry.
 

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That said, many people do not like DCT transmissions either. Many many complaints and dealer visits due to "broke" transmissions because of the low speed lurching and such they are inherent to. Ford has learned that on the Focus that is for sure and there are other examples too. Apparently people just don't like change lol!

Ford has been sued for their DCT in the Focus and Fiesta. Dodge has issues with the Dart and Fiat on a few of theirs too. Americans don't like the DCT any more than the CVT.
 

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That said, many people do not like DCT transmissions either. Many many complaints and dealer visits due to "broke" transmissions because of the low speed lurching and such they are inherent to. Ford has learned that on the Focus that is for sure and there are other examples too. Apparently people just don't like change lol!

Ford has been sued for their DCT in the Focus and Fiesta. Dodge has issues with the Dart and Fiat on a few of theirs too. Americans don't like the DCT any more than the CVT.
It's true DCT has almost as many complaints as CVTs do, honda themselves even said at one point the reason they DON'T do a DCT in the civic is because americans don't like them. BUT. Honda also found a way around alot of the low speed lurching and issues the DCT has by using it in conjunction with a torque converter to help low speed operation.

I remember besides Ford and Dodge having issues, Hyundai's application of a DCT in the base veloster didn't work out so well either. (the turbo got a traditional 6 speed auto) and i think now they've thrown out the DCT and used the same 6 speed even for the base velosters.

My personal thinking is that DCTs really only have merit in cars with 200+ horsepower, any less and it starts making less of a case for itself over a CVT or traditional automatic.
 

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Do you think it was a mistake by Honda to commit so much to the CVT? Maybe it makes sense on paper, but if people don't like them, perhaps it's not the right choice.
 

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They wanted class leading mileage. The only way to get that is with CVT. They are extremely efficient, and they have improved tremendously with better tuning and materials.
 

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No matter what Honda or any other car manufacturer does to a car, they will not be able to please anyone. I'm sure when the CTR comes to America, people will find ways to hate on it too because everyone has their own wants and needs when it comes to a car. People have to remember that the Civic wasn't built to be a sports car, hence why they made the CVCC. Of course they then added more sporty models to their line because of how popular people responded to them. How many sports cars from Honda can you name? They go based on efficiency and reliability and thats been great for them. It just so happens that people in the field have been able to mod up the car to the "sports car" they can be. Like I've told many people, CTR on paper looks good. The emissions of America might dull the CTR a bit and what they see in pictures might not be how we get them here to keep pricing down. Plus, out of the many people waiting to buy and want to buy the CTR, who is really going to drive it the way it deserves to? Honda's CVT has come a long way..well..the whole CVT technology has come a long way and you have to understand the way a CVT works to understand why Honda uses them. Efficiency.
 

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I think the Touring has a very well appointed stylish, sporty looking interior.
I'm coming out of a Honda Crosstour V-6 and while the Civic Turbo probably could not beat it in a race, I did find the Civic to have plenty of get up and go for my needs.
I am a highway commuter average about 70mph, for 75 miles round trip a day, plus weekend outings.
I think it will be excellent for my needs, and the significantly higher gas mileage from my Crosstour will be a pleasure.
The Crosstour averaged 24mpg highway back road mix.
28 if I stayed on all highway for the full tank. Which is not bad for a 3.5ltr V-6 but the Civic will surely do better.
Even though gas prices are under 2 bucks a gallon where I live right now, they are sure to go back up again at some point, and I'll be happy for the fuel sipping Civic.
I found the interior to also be very roomy, but I am also only 5'1", and I typically only drive by myself or a maximum of 2 passengers who are not super tall either.
So the Civic will be fine for me in that aspect as well.
I think overall it is a HUGE improvement over the 2015 Civic styling.
 

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It's true DCT has almost as many complaints as CVTs do, honda themselves even said at one point the reason they DON'T do a DCT in the civic is because americans don't like them. BUT. Honda also found a way around alot of the low speed lurching and issues the DCT has by using it in conjunction with a torque converter to help low speed operation.

I remember besides Ford and Dodge having issues, Hyundai's application of a DCT in the base veloster didn't work out so well either. (the turbo got a traditional 6 speed auto) and i think now they've thrown out the DCT and used the same 6 speed even for the base velosters.

My personal thinking is that DCTs really only have merit in cars with 200+ horsepower, any less and it starts making less of a case for itself over a CVT or traditional automatic.

Hondas DCT is different, it uses a Torque Converter to smooth out the low speed lurches
 

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I posted the following info on another thread, but then thought this thread might be better suited.
I have a wee bit of an issue here that needs to get out:
On Friday last, I looked down and saw an alarming set of messages streaming on my dashboard. I own a Touring with 1,300 miles on it.
It said, "Adaptive Cruise Control Problem," then "Brake System Problem," then "Electronic Brake Problem," then "Brake Hold System Problem," then "EPS problem," then ALB System Problem," then "VSA Problem," then "Hill Start Assist Problem," then "Collision Mitigation System Problem," then "Road Departure Warning System Problem." Each of these was on my dashboard for about 3 seconds before going on to the next.
I stopped, turned off the engine, restarted it, same thing.
LONG story short (calling dealerships and Honda In-car Tech Support AND Danielle at Honda 800-999-1009 who was really horrible at helping me but finally gave a case #04336492.
Anyway, Honda towing picked my car up that night and took it to Rock Honda in Fontana, CA.
Next day, they told me the "VSA Control Module" is bad and needs replacement. They were going to have it ready for me tomorrow Tuesday but they just called and said it might be about 2 weeks (because the car is so new, the part hasn't even been sent out yet)!! They will give me a loaner car.
I also mentioned the problem with the back speaker on songs with heavy base. Additionally, the mechanic said the ABS Harness Pin needs something, I forget what.
I also want to thank Sebastian from Honda Customer Service who reached out to make sure my speaker issued gets resolved.
Anyone else have this problem with the systems going whacko?????
Hopefully, I'm the only one! Should this message get punted to a new thread? How? thanx, Matthew
 
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