[Smartie]

Not all turbos need high octane gas, especially with more and more manufacturers turning to them for fuel econ. A regular 1.5T Civic sedan likely won't need premium...

 

[Smartie]

The 2.4L needs 240hp in my book should be in the engine bay of a 9th gen.

The 01-05 was a bust. The 12-15 was a bust.

North America CIVIC SI has gone down it's sales since 2001.
Sales picked up when the RSX-S had a motor. So they decided to put that in the Civic SI and sales picked up again since 06-11.

Civic comeback in 2016???

Bring back the Type-R to the U.S. and boost that at 305hp (HATCH ONLY). Let the USDM have the 2.4L in the SI and boost it's power back up to 240hp-260hp on the sedan/coupe. This would be my 10th gen dream!

The increase in Si sales from 06 on is more attributable to the Si sedan then the motor. 2001 was the quirky 5 door SiR from Europe which was never loved on our side. Your statistics are misleading and lack the context which makes them valuable.

 

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It's the motor. Next in line is the chassis. Honda likes to have their best years and motors in a generation apart to keep that generation sales have value.
If the Type-R quiky 5 door hatch came to our side, I would bet that the tables on that model would have turned around differently.

I don't bet a thing on the Type R. America is all talk, Scion FRS sales are in a pit, the Golf R has never sold well here. Sorry we're not a hot hatch nation.

Yea the motor is nice, but there's a reason Honda came out with the 4 door Si, they were losing die hard loyalists, guys who grew up in Civics. Now they had families and Honda had nothing to offer in terms of a similar 'experience'. Honda betrayed their logic when only offering the Mugen Si as a sedan.

The best I can give you in terms of figures is the delta between 2006 and 2007. The key difference between the two years is the addition of the Si Sedan for the 2007 MY

2006: 316,638
2007: 331,095

Granted we don't know how much of that is attributable to the Si sedan alone vs normal growth. But if you look at 2008 the increase has slowed to 8,000 units. Now that could simply be diminishing returns OR a return to normal growth rates. AFAIK Honda doesn't publish figures broken down by trim level, this is the closest I could get. Sorry.

 

[Smartie]

I doubt there much we can glean about gen 10 ctr based on the current car. 2.0t sure...next car will go awd, everyone is doing it. You think they learbed a thing or two from the nsx about e AWD...

 

[Smartie]

That pikes peak crz was meaaannnn

 

[Smartie]

They should totally make that wing an optional item on the current CRZ. hahaha

we could start a discount airline like that...