yes but the car was 15secs faster on the Nordschleife than a golf R
so it is a real performance beast
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so it is a real performance beast
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They should totally make that wing an optional item on the current CRZ. hahahaSH-AWD and Electric... nuff said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b0sLj3u16o
Now they just need to put a vin and MSRP on it
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we could start a discount airline like that...They should totally make that wing an optional item on the current CRZ. hahaha
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Is the CTR AWD??
There is obviously a market in the US for go fast cars. A new turbo go fast Civic will probably intrigue a lot of the younger generation. The problem is not so many of them have the money to pay for that technology. Especially when our cars are coming so bloated with technology. The older generation, the ones with the money, are leaning towards the big American muscle cars. Why?...
1. The "Mine is Bigger" syndrome. To these guys it doesn't really matter how fast or how well it handles they just want to be able to let you know they have a hundred+ hp more than anyone else in the room. No factory Civic will compete there. (If you want a 600hp Civic so you can be that guy, bring a briefcase full of cash to Steven at my shop. He can put you one together. Make it a big briefcase though, he doesn't skimp on his builds)
2. Size Does matter, I think a lot of people with the cash have historically been kept away from what they concidered a cool honda (S2000) because at 6' they couldn't comfortably fit. Or get in get out. This, and Americas love of being fat, is probably why the size keeps growing on Civics.
So how do you make a true performance Civic economically viable. Volume is success. It brings down price. Lower price more sales, snow ball effect. Make a fancy AWD type R, but then make make 2 or 3 stages of the SI. Start with the DX version of SI. The young poor kid version. A light weight stripped version, sans all the tech, maybe in a hatchback. If Honda wants to make more money, beef up the HFP line of parts but don't price them out of existence. This young kid can now buy a light weight hood, carbon fiber trim pieces, racing seats etc. as he gets the money. Heck you might even put some performance into Honda Factory Performance, like new intakes and exhaust that will give 15 or 20 extra hp.. Stage 2 might be the EX style family sedan SI. This is for the young new parent who didn't want to give up his hatchback, but times change. He's the college grad that makes enough to justify the extra cash for an SI option. Stage 3 luxury version.
So why build so many versions. So you can hook'em young and keep'em later. I think young people who like fast cars usually grow into older people who like fast cars. I think people get nostalgic for the cars of their youth. I think one of the major buyers of the type R when it comes may be the guys who built up hotrod civics 15 20 years ago. They now have the money to relive the dream.
1. The "Mine is Bigger" syndrome. To these guys it doesn't really matter how fast or how well it handles they just want to be able to let you know they have a hundred+ hp more than anyone else in the room. No factory Civic will compete there. (If you want a 600hp Civic so you can be that guy, bring a briefcase full of cash to Steven at my shop. He can put you one together. Make it a big briefcase though, he doesn't skimp on his builds)
2. Size Does matter, I think a lot of people with the cash have historically been kept away from what they concidered a cool honda (S2000) because at 6' they couldn't comfortably fit. Or get in get out. This, and Americas love of being fat, is probably why the size keeps growing on Civics.
So how do you make a true performance Civic economically viable. Volume is success. It brings down price. Lower price more sales, snow ball effect. Make a fancy AWD type R, but then make make 2 or 3 stages of the SI. Start with the DX version of SI. The young poor kid version. A light weight stripped version, sans all the tech, maybe in a hatchback. If Honda wants to make more money, beef up the HFP line of parts but don't price them out of existence. This young kid can now buy a light weight hood, carbon fiber trim pieces, racing seats etc. as he gets the money. Heck you might even put some performance into Honda Factory Performance, like new intakes and exhaust that will give 15 or 20 extra hp.. Stage 2 might be the EX style family sedan SI. This is for the young new parent who didn't want to give up his hatchback, but times change. He's the college grad that makes enough to justify the extra cash for an SI option. Stage 3 luxury version.
So why build so many versions. So you can hook'em young and keep'em later. I think young people who like fast cars usually grow into older people who like fast cars. I think people get nostalgic for the cars of their youth. I think one of the major buyers of the type R when it comes may be the guys who built up hotrod civics 15 20 years ago. They now have the money to relive the dream.
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couple of things here ...
- most clearly the Type R platform of choice - current euro hatch based Type R is aero drag challenged - cannot stay with the Citroen Elysse in WTCC competition - race engineers publicly owned up to this fact, cannot control speed sapping turbulent air flow out rear - Honda must win a WTCC championship next soon, that's their business -
- its a world market platform so N.A model now partakes - will go head to head with Subaru STI (Possibly awd and fwd options) - Golf R, Peugeot 400hp 308 and Focus RS - all of these 5 dr type hatches
- Soichiro Game On !!
- most clearly the Type R platform of choice - current euro hatch based Type R is aero drag challenged - cannot stay with the Citroen Elysse in WTCC competition - race engineers publicly owned up to this fact, cannot control speed sapping turbulent air flow out rear - Honda must win a WTCC championship next soon, that's their business -
- its a world market platform so N.A model now partakes - will go head to head with Subaru STI (Possibly awd and fwd options) - Golf R, Peugeot 400hp 308 and Focus RS - all of these 5 dr type hatches
- Soichiro Game On !!
I think at this rate with it being a global car that they might make things linear throughout all the markets its launched in. For a special model like this that seems to be what make sense. Just look at other examples like it. Don't see why they would deviate from it much.
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There should be some awesome comparisons coming up with the RS and Golf R - can't wait!
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Anyone else run into the fact that the tires coming on the 2017 Honda Civic Type R are not warranted for any mileage? After 12,000, I had to replaced my front tires.
Wow, you did well to get 12,000 miles! I just got my Type R last week and have only 300 miles on it and I expect that my tires will last probably 2000 miles max. But I will autocross it and drive it hard in every large empty parking lot just for fun, too! I've already laid long, curved black stripes all around the large parking lot of my church down the road! HAHAHAAnyone else run into the fact that the tires coming on the 2017 Honda Civic Type R are not warranted for any mileage? After 12,000, I had to replaced my front tires.
Tires: Winter Set up
Speaking of tires, I live in New England and winter conditions get <40F temps so the Conti's have to go and replaced by either All Season (AS) OEM size OR go to smaller wheels, say 18's and get AS or winter tires. I know the smaller tires will be better for snow but I do not want to alter the OEM set up resulting in torque steering and other unknown characteristics. However, going to Tire Rack and Discount Tire, they either have nothing in AS or just a few selections one of which is the Nitto Neo Gen in 245/30/20. Furthermore, these Nitto's have only slightly better wear figures than OEM Conti's, think 240 vs 260 UTQG. Bottom Line: not many choices here and neither of which are very good. Any alternative thoughts would be appreciated.
Later, Ken
Speaking of tires, I live in New England and winter conditions get <40F temps so the Conti's have to go and replaced by either All Season (AS) OEM size OR go to smaller wheels, say 18's and get AS or winter tires. I know the smaller tires will be better for snow but I do not want to alter the OEM set up resulting in torque steering and other unknown characteristics. However, going to Tire Rack and Discount Tire, they either have nothing in AS or just a few selections one of which is the Nitto Neo Gen in 245/30/20. Furthermore, these Nitto's have only slightly better wear figures than OEM Conti's, think 240 vs 260 UTQG. Bottom Line: not many choices here and neither of which are very good. Any alternative thoughts would be appreciated.
Later, Ken
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This is a type R thread so you won't find anyone on here looking for winter tires! And winter tires is what you want, you can go as small as a 15" rim with no fitment issues, that tire size would be 205/65r/15 to stay OEM overall height. For a 16" rim it would be 215/55r/16. If your looking for handling and great tread life you can't go wrong with Michelin X-Ice x13, very quite and great stopping on ice. Not the best tire for digging through deep snow, there are better but this IMHO is the best all-round winter tire.
Thx, for the comments but I am confused. Type R owners do not use their cars in the winter?! For my Type R, I ended up with Motegi 18x8 rims and after looking over reviews, the second best snow tire was the Michelin X-ICE X13, as you suggested, to the Finnish tire which did not have the size I wanted, 245/40/18R. The offset is a bit off (30 vs 60) but width is OEM. So there will be slight, to negligible torque steer and yes, the tires are wide for snow but here in RI, we get a couple of big snow events each year with more or less cleared roads thereafter. In short, this wheel tire set up results in reasonable handling during the winter months.
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