I'm not sure if this is the base trim though, it has fog lights. Do the usual base trims come with fogs ?
2017 Honda Civic Hatchback Spied In Transit
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We’ve already seen exclusive pictures of the new next-gen Type R and now spy shots of what may be the base trim hatchback has been revealed.
An Autocar reader spotted three undisguised hatchbacks being transported on UK streets and the cars seemed to be heading into Southampton. If they were making their way to Southampton then the Civics may be destined for U.S. shores since Southampton is the largest freight port on the Channel coast.
The blue hatchback clearly displays the front and the other gives us an angled view of the front facia. From what we can see, the production model’s angular and sculpted rear takes after the concept car with large pseudo vents, bulging fenders, and a spoiler that has been integrated into the non-LED taillights. One notable change are the exhaust pipes. Gone are the twin central exhaust tips, instead they are split up with one in each rear corner.
As for the front, it looks very similar to what we’re already seeing on the coupe and sedan variants but with larger vents, a spoiler, and what seems to be different headlights.
Honda promised to give us the option of a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder hatchback with a manual transmission and it should officially debut at the Paris Auto Show next month.
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No, they don't. Those are not base wheels either. It looks like it might be an EX-T.
These are definitely EXT wheels, i expect (since they'll all have the 1.5T even on the LX trim) that the wheels will mirror the coupe wheels on the various trims. If you look at the photo of the white one, there is what appears to be a black hatchback above it with touring wheels. I think when they say "base" hatch they mean non-CTR hatch... also they mention the headlights being different, but they're not. They look exactly the same as the coupe/sedan, only difference is the larger fake intake vents, but again, i think they're comparing these to the CTR that's been seen testing on track and not the sedan/coupe.
So we could be seeing the hatchback come with EX-T and Touring trims. Maybe the hatchback will come with the same trims as the sedan like EX and EX-L too?
According to a leaked image from Honda Pro Jason some week or so ago the trims will be a bit different. I believe they listed LX, Sport, EX, EXL, and Touring Sport trims. So no EXT... but all the trims come with the 1.5T so the EX would fill that space minus a couple items. So most likely in these pictures we're seeing a touring sport and EXL.So we could be seeing the hatchback come with EX-T and Touring trims. Maybe the hatchback will come with the same trims as the sedan like EX and EX-L too?
As nice as it is seeing the hatch, it's too bad Honda keeps its concepts close to being production model spec since at times like this it takes away the whole surprise factor.
But a lot of times people get upset when the production is a good bit off from the concept as well. Look at the 86 as a prime example
Or literally every concept car Subaru has made in the last 10 years. They shows these seamingly production ready legacy and impreza, only to come out with super watered down production cars... i'd rather have honda's 95% production ready concepts.But a lot of times people get upset when the production is a good bit off from the concept as well. Look at the 86 as a prime example
Exactly. I think that's way more upsetting than getting something that is very close to what is shown in the concept. At least if it's very similar to the concept, you can't say you didn't expect anything like that. Much better than drooling over the concept and getting screwed by the production model :|Or literally every concept car Subaru has made in the last 10 years. They shows these seamingly production ready legacy and impreza, only to come out with super watered down production cars... i'd rather have honda's 95% production ready concepts.
That's literally the worst part about the subaru concepts (legacy AND impreza) is that the concepts were totally production looking except for a few minor things, but then subaru decided to completely change the headlights, tail lights, stance, overhangs... literally everything about the car to make it what amounts to in my mind a better performing early 2000s toyota camry. Same with the impreza concept. I get that the wheels would've changed and the head/tail lights might not have been full LED like on the concept but at least keep the general shapes and design the same.
That's why i don't at all understand people who LOVED the civic concept coupe and then hated the production coupe/sedan... like... hardly anything changed from concept to production except the chrome grill piece (easy fix) and the fake intake vents (now available on the more similar Si/hatch bumpers).
That's why i don't at all understand people who LOVED the civic concept coupe and then hated the production coupe/sedan... like... hardly anything changed from concept to production except the chrome grill piece (easy fix) and the fake intake vents (now available on the more similar Si/hatch bumpers).
That's exactly what I thought, too about the whole concept to production thing. I can understand if its something like what some of the high end brands do with really advanced concepts where we end up seeing nothing from it make it to production, even the things that are "normal" for the current time.That's literally the worst part about the subaru concepts (legacy AND impreza) is that the concepts were totally production looking except for a few minor things, but then subaru decided to completely change the headlights, tail lights, stance, overhangs... literally everything about the car to make it what amounts to in my mind a better performing early 2000s toyota camry. Same with the impreza concept. I get that the wheels would've changed and the head/tail lights might not have been full LED like on the concept but at least keep the general shapes and design the same.
That's why i don't at all understand people who LOVED the civic concept coupe and then hated the production coupe/sedan... like... hardly anything changed from concept to production except the chrome grill piece (easy fix) and the fake intake vents (now available on the more similar Si/hatch bumpers).
Definitely, there is a big difference between doing a future production car concept and doing a "design study" concept which is only meant to hint at design language moving forward (like the Acura precision concept). If a concept however is meant to preview a specific production model, it should at least be close to what the production car will look like, or else all it does is leave people wishing for the more stylish concept and hurts the cred of the actual production car.That's exactly what I thought, too about the whole concept to production thing. I can understand if its something like what some of the high end brands do with really advanced concepts where we end up seeing nothing from it make it to production, even the things that are "normal" for the current time.
I hear you on that.
My guess is people are disappointed at the fact they don't get things like a high belt line, bolder body, bolder body lines, etc. which concepts usually have that production models don't. It's the sort of thing we see on really high end vehicles, like high end exotic cars. No love for anyone buying in segments below.
My guess is people are disappointed at the fact they don't get things like a high belt line, bolder body, bolder body lines, etc. which concepts usually have that production models don't. It's the sort of thing we see on really high end vehicles, like high end exotic cars. No love for anyone buying in segments below.
Well, it's understandable why these things happen when you get into production costs/complexity. Those super sharp and tight body lines are expensive and more time consuming to produce that rounder softer body lines (though tech for this is always getting better/cheaper). When you consider car companies spend literally millions of dollars to produce 1 concept car that is exactly what they want it to look like (without taking into consideration actual manufacturing specs, engineering, not to mention the proportions of the car that they can actually put engine and all the mechanicals under) its no wonder people are often let down by lower segment vehicles. High end cars can get away with some of this higher production cost because the cars are going to have a much higher price tag that pays for it.I hear you on that.
My guess is people are disappointed at the fact they don't get things like a high belt line, bolder body, bolder body lines, etc. which concepts usually have that production models don't. It's the sort of thing we see on really high end vehicles, like high end exotic cars. No love for anyone buying in segments below.
In my experience people want an exotic luxury super car for the price of a civic, and it just isn't going to happen. Mainstream auto building is a careful balance of picking your battles. Efficiency over performance. Price point over style. In-house over out-sourcing. Material quality over available standard features. etc. We've seen cars like the CRZ and Veloster that favored sporty styling above all else and they suffered in the performance aspect because all the costs went to style production. Then we have subaru that tends to favor performance over style and we end up with boring cars with lack luster interior materials. You have VW that values material quality and performance but their price tags/cost of ownership suffer. What makes a mainstream car class leading is when they can strike a balance of ALL these various areas and still produce and sell at price point.
There's alot the civic COULD have had standard (LED lights, bigger stereo, better wheels) but that means other important features would have to suffer and those features 9 times out of 10 are way more important to the general buyer demographic and would be missed far more than nicety features. (Can you tell im in marketing? haha). There's always going to be a certain level of give and take in these affordable segments. Civic could have had LED headlights standard but what if that meant interior quality suffered from cost cutting? Nobody wants a crappy cheap interior just to have "cool looking" LED lights. It could have a super sharp finely tuned exterior style, but what if that meant it was still using the old 1.8L with 143hp? It's all give and take.
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