We've speculated yes that the Si will get DCT... the ILX uses it currently... It would be a smart move for Honda. Who knows how much they could up the take rate on Si by offering more then just a manual...What do you guys think of the upcoming SI? would it only be Manual or would there be a DCT option?
The 10th gen civic doesn't share it's platform with the current accord. The next accord will share it's platform with the 10th gen civic. It's an all new platform. The civic is the first car to use it. The new accord and CRV will be the next 2 to get it and also the next gen CRZ. just an fyi.I'm one of those hoping the Si gets some form of auto, as otherwise I won't buy it. I'd say either the DCT or the 6 speed from the Accord (since they now share a platform) would make the most sense over a cvt, but I will take any of them.
IMO they would really increase the Si sales by adding an auto.
I think the point still stands though. Yes accord isn't using it now, but its certainly been engineered with accord in mind...unless Honda intends to scrap the slushbox for CVT in the next gen accord, I would imagine the platform is compliantThe 10th gen civic doesn't share it's platform with the current accord. The next accord will share it's platform with the 10th gen civic. It's an all new platform. The civic is the first car to use it. The new accord and CRV will be the next 2 to get it and also the next gen CRZ. just an fyi.
DCT would be my bet for the Si given it'll have similar structure and output to the ILX. Not sure honda makes a CVT strong enough to hold up to the power of the Si. I'd be ok with one of honda's quick shifting 6 speed autos as well. I would love to get an Si instead of the EX-T since they will be priced very closely most likely. But i don't want or need a manual with the amount of driving and do and the fact it's 99% stop and go city/suburb driving.
I feel like i read in a recent article they were talking about the baby NSX and said honda was planning on going full CVT or manual while acura would have the DCTs.I think the point still stands though. Yes accord isn't using it now, but its certainly been engineered with accord in mind...unless Honda intends to scrap the slushbox for CVT in the next gen accord, I would imagine the platform is compliant
Good find. Goes with my thinking that the CVTs might not be strong enough to handle the bigger engines with the higher output and torque. Granted, since 2013 honda could have changed their minds and opted for full CVT for honda to reserve the DCT for only acura or high end sports models (Type R and above)... we will just have to wait and see... honda might let us all down and make the Si manual only again like they always have... just not sure why they'd limit sales potential like that.http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-new-turbocharged-engines-8-speed-dual-clutch
Article I found from 2013. Transmission section:
Although Honda engineers and executives declined to comment on specific models, they said the automaker's transmissions will be used roughly as follows:
• Continuously variable transmissions. CVTs will become Honda's mainstay, used in its small- to mid-sized vehicles, replacing manual and automatic transmissions.
• Dual-clutch transmissions. These will be used with 2.0- to 3.0-liter engines. Some executives said the seven- and eight-speed dual-clutch transmissions may be standard equipment on some vehicles, but will be optional on others.
• Traditional automatic transmissions. These will continue to be used in larger vehicles such as the Odyssey minivan.
So... we might see the DCT as an option in the Civic si, and possibly getting pushed up to v6 accords with the next redesign?
Depends on pricing and margins, I could see the Touring offering them a better margin regardless. Would be a good strategy of piling people who want auto/turbo/LED whatever into the higher margin Touring then having them 'settle' for an Si.Good find. Goes with my thinking that the CVTs might not be strong enough to handle the bigger engines with the higher output and torque. Granted, since 2013 honda could have changed their minds and opted for full CVT for honda to reserve the DCT for only acura or high end sports models (Type R and above)... we will just have to wait and see... honda might let us all down and make the Si manual only again like they always have... just not sure why they'd limit sales potential like that.
Exactly. If Honda does again go manual exclusive Si then you can GUARANTEE the Touring will feature IDENTICAL content, maybe even a bit more (to make up for the 30 or more missing ponies).Being a more enthusiast oriented trim, how many people are turned off by the manual transmission? Subaru only recently added an automatic option to the WRX after all this time, it can't have been costing them that many sales.
I don't think they really know until they try it out.Being a more enthusiast oriented trim, how many people are turned off by the manual transmission? Subaru only recently added an automatic option to the WRX after all this time, it can't have been costing them that many sales.
When Honda first showed the 1.5T in 2013 it made 201 hp and 192 lb-ft and they had it coupled to a CVT in an ILX mule http://www.motortrend.ca/en/car-rev...e-honda-turbo-engines-future-powertrain-tech/The 10th gen civic doesn't share it's platform with the current accord. The next accord will share it's platform with the 10th gen civic. It's an all new platform. The civic is the first car to use it. The new accord and CRV will be the next 2 to get it and also the next gen CRZ. just an fyi.
DCT would be my bet for the Si given it'll have similar structure and output to the ILX. Not sure honda makes a CVT strong enough to hold up to the power of the Si. I'd be ok with one of honda's quick shifting 6 speed autos as well. I would love to get an Si instead of the EX-T since they will be priced very closely most likely. But i don't want or need a manual with the amount of driving and do and the fact it's 99% stop and go city/suburb driving.
Hah, also funny is that the 8DCT was in an accord sedan.When Honda first showed the 1.5T in 2013 it made 201 hp and 192 lb-ft and they had it coupled to a CVT in an ILX mule http://www.motortrend.ca/en/car-rev...e-honda-turbo-engines-future-powertrain-tech/
Does anybody know what the worldwide sales numbers are for the GTI and the Si?Whenever HOA comments on the Si or Type R, they swear by manual transmissions in terms of the brand's character. I don't see this changing for the 10th Gen. Ford offers manual-only on the ST, which is likely going to be the Si's closest competitor.
That said, the GTI sets the benchmark in affordable yet refined performance, which I believe Honda is aspiring to achieve here. So I wouldn't rule out DCT completely.
It might be worth noting the GTI isn't the only competition that gets cross shopped with the Si that they have to compete with. Heck, they're going after entry level lux sedans in europe like the A3 and BMW even... which both offer autos of some type or DCT. You also have the tC (which i'm pretty sure the EX-T will now beat in performance, if not even the 2.0L) You could, in theory have people cross shopping things like base mustangs and camaros (i only say this because i've known people who did, it's more price point than RWD vs FWD).Does anybody know what the worldwide sales numbers are for the GTI and the Si?
If the GTI outsells the Si, and if Honda wants to reach those customers (who are not die-hard VW fanboys), then Honda will need a DCT option for the Si to compete against the GTIs that have DSG.
If the Si outsells the GTI, then I think that Honda will just keep the manual only option for the Si.