No, nothing too technical has been mentioned yet. I don't see honda straying too far from the current setup torsion beam front multilink rear etc. But there is alot of tweaks and tuning they could do to that suspension to make it work alot better for the car. They just have to invest the time and money into doing it. They can make the accord handle as well as a GTI, why not the civic? That only leaves room to make the Si and Type R even better than the competition.
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Am I right in thinking all of the trim levels will have the same suspension system, or will we get something stiffer on the higher end more performance models?
From LX-EXL the suspensions have always been the same setup. The coupe usually gets stiffer springs to increase its handling slightly and give it more of a sporty feel. The sedan gets softer more comfort geared suspension.Am I right in thinking all of the trim levels will have the same suspension system, or will we get something stiffer on the higher end more performance models?
The Si coupe and Sedan then get their own sport suspension setup (still basically the same setup but with thicker components and different tuning)
Then the Type R will have it's own standalone setup most likely.
for whats its worth i did read the 10th civic would use a similar setup to the 9th NA model, ditching how Europe does it.No, nothing too technical has been mentioned yet. I don't see honda straying too far from the current setup torsion beam front multilink rear etc. But there is alot of tweaks and tuning they could do to that suspension to make it work alot better for the car. They just have to invest the time and money into doing it. They can make the accord handle as well as a GTI, why not the civic? That only leaves room to make the Si and Type R even better than the competition.
That makes sense. The current Euro model rides on the Fit platform so the suspension setup is similar to that of the Fit, not the 9th civic we have.for whats its worth i did read the 10th civic would use a similar setup to the 9th NA model, ditching how Europe does it.
I figure it'll be mostly carried over from the 9th gen but with tweaks and upgrades to make it perform better. Pretty sure even the accord uses a similar setup as the civic, the current suspension has potential it just needs to be reworked. I'm sure the new platform required changes to be made anyway.
I can see the new platform being more comfort oriented if its expected to underpin the accord as well...
Well the platform itself doesn't have as much to do with handling characteristics. That all goes to the shocks, dampers, etc. The new platform will be lighter and more rigid which will assist in better handling characteristics. The longer wheel base will help with comfort of ride. The wider stance will help with lower center of gravity (i.e. better cornering) But the individual tuning and setup of the suspension they attach to the platform will ultimately decide the characteristics of how the civic and accord drive. The current accord, while comfort oriented is no slouch in handling pulling numbers equal to the VW GTI in figure 8 and skidpad.I can see the new platform being more comfort oriented if its expected to underpin the accord as well...
The sedan will be more comfort oriented. Softer tuning for softer ride. The coupe will most likely get beefier stabilizer bars thicker struts and a higher tuning to make it more sport oriented in feel. The actual difference in handling numbers have always been marginal between the two, but i could see honda making a bigger difference between the two this time around and offering a Sport or SE trim to the sedan with the coupe's sportier setup
sure, what i was getting at was as it gets bigger in size it gets more comfortable. no more light nimble flickable. might feel like that maybe... but still bigger car then we have...
ah. yes. they will be bigger. but like i've said. growth is really going to be marginal. no more than an inch or two in any direction. And if the engines got the pep and they quicken up the steering the new lighter chassis still has the potential to feel quick and flickable. In this day and age size doesn't determine a cars character as much as it used to.sure, what i was getting at was as it gets bigger in size it gets more comfortable. no more light nimble flickable. might feel like that maybe... but still bigger car then we have...
I'm looking forward to a civic that feels like it hugs the road again. My 95 civic for all it's painful slowness was so tight to the road. It never swayed or felt floaty. I hope this return to what the civic once was brings back the feeling of hugging the road. It inspires alot more confidence when driving than the current cars sometimes sliding floating feeling.
How 9th and 10th feel is what I can see coming up in comparisons as with any movement up or down in size that will be one of the bigger questions folks have.
I just hope it still feels sporty enough.
I just hope it still feels sporty enough.
I think honda's mission is to bring back the fun to drive sporty nature of the civic. I'm pretty confident if nothing else they're going to bring class leading handling to the civic. The difference that i think we'll see, as it seems to be a trend with other car makers is making the car feel more mature and refined. Less like a jouncy tuner go kart and more refined planted predictable. They did it with the golf and GTI. Reading those reviews about how they matured the GTI and Golf while upping its handling ability. It'll be less boy racer and more refined sports tourer. Which isn't a bad thing.How 9th and 10th feel is what I can see coming up in comparisons as with any movement up or down in size that will be one of the bigger questions folks have.
I just hope it still feels sporty enough.
It looks signicantly bigger than the 9th
I think a big reason it looks so much larger than the 9th parked next to it is:Here's some new pics of the all-new 10th-gen Civic sedan. These were taken by a guy named Victor somewhere in Texas.
A: The hood is much longer and taller, its also more squared off, it gives an illusion of added size (granted there will be some)
B: The rear trunk lid is also much higher than the 9th rear and i don't know if its the camo, but that sedan trunk is flat as heck (where the license plate area is)
C: The width is the most noticeable growth. This looks as wide as an accord is now. Which i don't mind, i always thought the civic was too narrow. This'll help interior space (along with the longer wheelbase) But keep in mind according to honda the height of the car overall goes down from the current, thats a recipe for lower center of gravity and a more road hugging ride.
Some things i noticed that i wish i could see better in the pics. Those are not the standard headlights (with the projector beams we've been seeing) those look like the LED lights from the concept and refreshed accord (so they are doing an all LED option/trim) Judging from the one interior picture (or picture of a finger and store front reflection) i think this is a top line EXL as the seats look leather (which would explain the LED headlights and huge alloy wheels)
Up to this point all we've really seen is base models and upper EXL models testing so it'll be interesting to see what features fall into what trims. I wish we could get more coupe spy pictures like this.
The camo definitely has the desired effect of creating an illusion in regards to size. It throws you off. There's more width but length appears close to the same as the 9th-gen. As Robb pointed out the 9th-gen looks much too narrow. Also the 9th-gen looks like the smallest overall C-segment car out there. Honda needed to beef up the Civic a bit and make it look more substantial. My thinking is this is the "Sport" trim but I could be wrong.
It'll be interesting to see how they dish out features and amenities across the trim levels. I swear those headlights look like full LED units as opposed to the basic projectors we've seen so far. One thing i've also noticed that i hope gets tweaked with the sedan is the gap in the wheel wells. That's alot of gap... the 8th gen had such small gaps and the 9th gen they increased. This doesn't seem to be an issue on the coupe though from the spy pictures i've seen however. You'd think same platform and basic wheel sizes the wheel gaps wouldn't be so different from coupe to sedan.The camo definitely has the desired effect of creating an illusion in regards to size. It throws you off. There's more width but length appears close to the same as the 9th-gen. As Robb pointed out the 9th-gen looks much too narrow. Also the 9th-gen looks like the smallest overall C-segment car out there. Honda needed to beef up the Civic a bit and make it look more substantial. My thinking is this is the "Sport" trim but I could be wrong. A little hard to decipher the interior but the seat appears to be cloth as I tried blowing it up.
I found some more spy shots with a google search. Again, gives good insight into the width of this car. It's true that the civic currently is one of the narrowest on the market. I'm happy to see it widen its stance a bit.
Also found some pretty on point renders from a pakistan website.
Also found some pretty on point renders from a pakistan website.
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Wheel gap looks good in these pics ^^^^. Interesting as it looks like two different test vehicles (LX and either a Sport or EX/EX-L).
Pics can be deceiving in regards to size. I remember when I first saw spy pics of the 8th-gen Civic sedan (in white). I thought wow the Civic has gotten so big. The pics taken from certain angles and/or distances made it appear larger than it actually was.
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