[Smartie]

To those of you lamenting the loss of the sporty and fun Civic you knew and loved in highscool/college/the 90's. Stop lamenting, its not coming back.

Corolla.

That's the fight, somehow the Corolla has managed to propel itself to the top of the compact heap without a dollop of sportiness. The segment speaks, its superfluous to the majority of buyers. If the car will sell without 'extra' sportiness, what's the need for extra sportiness? You take the volume cake by pandering to the lowest common denominator...

Sorry, but this is truth...

 

[Civil]

That is the truth. It is just the way things are. I think that a volume car tries to not do anything too much. A little bit sporty is fine, but a lot sporty and you start to alienate people who are just looking for a regular sedan. It might not even be that you alienate people, it may be instead that you just don't attract any other people.

 

[5TAR]

It's even more of reason that has me wondering what exactly the north american civic will be like, which is tough to say at this stage.

 

[Smartie]

That is the truth. It is just the way things are. I think that a volume car tries to not do anything too much. A little bit sporty is fine, but a lot sporty and you start to alienate people who are just looking for a regular sedan. It might not even be that you alienate people, it may be instead that you just don't attract any other people.

Thats not true in the slightest. What a volume model tries to do is pander to the lowest common denominators of shoppers. Safety, reliability, price....

 

[5TAR]

Exactly, a volume cars main purpose is to speak to top needs of consumers with other things left being not as much of a priority.

 

[Smartie]

Exactly, a volume cars main purpose is to speak to top needs of consumers with other things left being not as much of a priority.

Mhmm, and I'm not seeing the lineups of boy racers, I doubt Honda is either. They know who keeps the lights on...

 

[Civil]

Thats not true in the slightest. What a volume model tries to do is pander to the lowest common denominators of shoppers. Safety, reliability, price....

I mean it is true in one way, you guys are just not giving me a very generous reading here. You agree that a lot of things are not the priority, which is what I was saying. On the other hand they do try to make sure things like reliability, safety, etc are done well.

 

[Smartie]

I mean it is true in one way, you guys are just not giving me a very generous reading here. You agree that a lot of things are not the priority, which is what I was saying. On the other hand they do try to make sure things like reliability, safety, etc are done well.

Well when you say "I think that a volume car tries to not do anything too much." you're literally saying it does nothing but be there which is patently false. If you meant otherwise you would of written otherwise, n'est-ce pas?

I do not agree that "a lot of things are not priority", I agree, actually I asserted, that a volume model shirks sportiness and sportiness only. As I said above it panders to the needs, affordability, reliability and safety. What else is there?

 

[5TAR]

Mhmm, and I'm not seeing the lineups of boy racers, I doubt Honda is either. They know who keeps the lights on...

Yup, it's the general understanding of the industry, the basic foundation for all mainstream high-volume brands to stay afloat or emerging brands that wish work up to having that volume.

 

[Tim]

That is the truth. It is just the way things are. I think that a volume car tries to not do anything too much. A little bit sporty is fine, but a lot sporty and you start to alienate people who are just looking for a regular sedan. It might not even be that you alienate people, it may be instead that you just don't attract any other people.

That is so true and that's why I like about Honda: They dare to stand out of the crowd.
They do want their cars (at least here in europe) to be different than the rest.
I'm a non-golfer for many reasons but that's the biggest one...