[AlwaysHitVTEC]

It looks like Honda is embarking on a marketing campaign to promote diesel efficiency, which is not something Honda has been known for, at least in North America where I live.


I wonder if this may be some signal that Honda will promote a diesel version of the 10th gen Civic, and maybe even offer it in North America?


http://www.carscoops.com/2015/05/honda-wants-efficiency-record-with.html

 

[CanGuy]

Fuel efficiency is a huge draw for people (though maybe slightly less so now that fuel prices have gone down a bit.) With some European countries taking steps against diesel, I think that companies are going to really try to get diesel into America so that they can keep up capacity. Besides, who doesn't want a vehicle that is one of the most efficient around -- diesel or gas powered?

 

[Smartie]

The current Honda diesels are well recieved. It was their earlier engines sourced from Isuzu IIRC that were absolute pigs and actually set them back a bit in Europe from what I understand...

 

[RobbJK88]

Idk, the germans have the diesel market cornered, and really, only the luxury diesels sell, as VWs numbers are in the gutter while Audi does ok. I don't think it'd be a good idea to increase overall production cost of the entire lineup just to bring a diesel civic here that most likely, wouldn't sell well enough. I'm sure they'll offer one in Europe where small diesel engines are much much more popular, but here in the US people seem to only trust luxury car diesels and large truck diesels. Just my two cents.

 

[Tim]

I have such an isuzu diesel reworked by honda
1700cc 100hp and 220Nm
it feels ok to me but nothing compared to my dad's 2.2
but that engine is also outdated by now


their main weapon is the 1.6 (120 hp and 300Nm) and it has almost the best performance
combined with almost the best fuel efficiency and still a low carbon dioxide emission


in the hrv you can have that engine with an extra turbo which delivers 160hp and 350 Nm
first reviews were really positive


will it remain their only diesel?

 

[Tim]

vwgruppe's 1.6 has only 105hp, less torque and less fuel efficiency
it's a joke, they dumbed it down just to get under a certain carbon dioxide emmission level
ok honda comes out just above it so it's a little bit more on taxes but it whoops that 1.6 engine of the vw-gruppe at every other aspect
i know which one has my vote...

 

[Smartie]

Idk, the germans have the diesel market cornered, and really, only the luxury diesels sell, as VWs numbers are in the gutter while Audi does ok. I don't think it'd be a good idea to increase overall production cost of the entire lineup just to bring a diesel civic here that most likely, wouldn't sell well enough. I'm sure they'll offer one in Europe where small diesel engines are much much more popular, but here in the US people seem to only trust luxury car diesels and large truck diesels. Just my two cents.

The French are actually fantastically competent at Diesels, same with FIAT (surprisingly). As for diesel in NA, I think its one large opportunity is
diesel PHEV's...

 

[5TAR]

Diesel PHEV's should be the next step as gas prices start to rise, making more sense to diesels.

 

[Smartie]

Diesel PHEV's should be the next step as gas prices start to rise, making more sense to diesels.

IMO PHEV's are the solution. EV's don't make sense from a cost and usage standpoint, while ICE engines have been blacklisted by governments and society across the developed world (unfortunately, even though car pollution is a spec in global contamination, see commercial shipping). I know a guy with an MKZ Hybrid (not PHEV but regardless) who fill up once every three months...

 

[AlwaysHitVTEC]

Idk, the germans have the diesel market cornered, and really, only the luxury diesels sell, as VWs numbers are in the gutter while Audi does ok. I don't think it'd be a good idea to increase overall production cost of the entire lineup just to bring a diesel civic here that most likely, wouldn't sell well enough. I'm sure they'll offer one in Europe where small diesel engines are much much more popular, but here in the US people seem to only trust luxury car diesels and large truck diesels. Just my two cents.

To be fair, I wouldn't say VW's numbers are in the gutter. Something like one-third of all new Golfs and Jetta wagons in the US are sold with TDIs. Those models usually don't sit on the lot for very long either, so VWoA and its dealers are happy with the diesel models. I bet there are quite a few VW owners who would switch to a diesel Honda if it was available. VW isn't known for reliability, and I'm sure some of those owners have had enough of VW junk repairs...

 

[CanGuy]

The French are actually fantastically competent at Diesels, same with FIAT (surprisingly). As for diesel in NA, I think its one large opportunity is
diesel PHEV's...

Aren't they banning diesel vehicles in France though?

 

[Tim]

What?!?

 

[AlwaysHitVTEC]

What?!?

Yes, diesels may be fuel efficient but NOx emissions are still much higher than gasoline cars. NOx directly contributes to poor air quality in urban cities. So much of Western Europe is trying to phase out NOx polluters like diesel passenger cars. They won't pass the next round of Euro emissions standards.

 

[5TAR]

Yes, diesels may be fuel efficient but NOx emissions are still much higher than gasoline cars. NOx directly contributes to poor air quality in urban cities. So much of Western Europe is trying to phase out NOx polluters like diesel passenger cars. They won't pass the next round of Euro emissions standards.

The same thing will happen here, but first they'll let current diesels run their course till EV's and Hybrid's can easily take over, then north americans will be complaining as much about diesels as europeans are

 

[Civil]

Diesel isn't as popular here so I don't think there is as much concern. They might ban them eventually, but since they are a lesser percentage of the cars out on the road than they are in Europe, the effect won't be as great.

 

[5TAR]

Diesel isn't as popular here so I don't think there is as much concern. They might ban them eventually, but since they are a lesser percentage of the cars out on the road than they are in Europe, the effect won't be as great.

and that's why I was mentioning the future, they'll let diesel segments explode before closing up shop.

 

[Civil]

Quite possibly. Depends on the political motivation to regulate carbon emissions. I'd say that motivation doesn't really exist right now.