yea but if you drive a larger engine like an old lady it will return STUNNING mileage.I think that honestly holds true to ANY small engine... i've wrung out my civics in the past just to see how bad of mileage i could get... 17mpg.... and that coming from the same 8th gen coupe that netted me 42mpg on a trip to pittsburgh from columbus.
edit* any engine period... people just don't expect as much from larger engines in terms of mpg
Agree with you completely. That being said, the gang at Motor Trend got really good real world MPG and they are not known for taking it easy on their loaner cars.I think that honestly holds true to ANY small engine... i've wrung out my civics in the past just to see how bad of mileage i could get... 17mpg.... and that coming from the same 8th gen coupe that netted me 42mpg on a trip to pittsburgh from columbus.
edit* any engine period... people just don't expect as much from larger engines in terms of mpg
That's true they did... and yea, you have to imagine they weren't easy on the car either... and their tester hasnt even hit breakin point which easily ups the mileage 5mpg or more.Agree with you completely. That being said, the gang at Motor Trend got really good real world MPG and they are not known for taking it easy on their loaner cars.
I'd say motortrends estimates are probably a good guess on that one... you can expect them to have driven the car pretty spiritedly, without breakin period they got around 31-33mpg which isn't bad at all before break in period... .I do wonder what it's going to return under real world semi-spirited driving?
I think it's the american auto makers honestly... european cars have been integrating turbos for a while and their refinement of the process certainly shows looking at the great mileage of cars like your Fiat, VW Golf/GTI etc... I think the americans just need to do more homework on their turbos.Alright, while I understand the concerns I think they are way overblown with the newer generation of engines. I drive a small turbo now, a Fiat 1.4 liter with 160hp and 170tq. Rated 28 city and 34 highway and for me with mixed driving and mostly city I'm getting 31-33mpg. I'm not easy on the boost either, not ragging it and not grandma either and the car lives with sport mode enabled and traction control off. I'm over two years in with no issues at all of any type and I'd like to think that Honda is a large step up from Fiat!
Also, never noticed real heat soak issues (can tell more power on cool days though, the cool days recently are even more fun than usual!) and my Abarth has a massively overcomplex dual intercooler piping mess too. Also has an electric motor that kicks on when you shut off the car that circulates water and cools the turbo down correctly as needed (mine runs most of the time on shutdown). Mileage has literally never been an issue for me with a small engine and large turbo. This car has only 101hp in non-turbo guise so the turbo is pretty sizable! I see boost up there at 18 PSI or more in my car yet my mileage is great, I expect the Honda will do just fine. This seems to be a pretty mild tune on the Honda setup for mileage and not HP and Tq so I think it will be great.
The Fiats might have other issues but the little turbo engines have been very well regarded and there are no widespread issues of any type engine related really.
http://paultan.org/2015/10/19/2016-...litre-vtec-turbo-engine-and-cvt-transmission/I think one of the main reasons why Honda went with a 1.5 liter and such a small turbo is to get that quick spool and allow the car to feel powerful from the torque it'll give. It will be hard to be out of boost with such a small turbo but the mpg's look promising but then again, how often do we get the advertised mpg anyway? Add a turbo to the mix and those numbers might even be lower especially on spirited drives. For me, I just trust that Honda is good on fuel efficiency and the power part, I'll take care of myself. I do have a few plans to free up some power on the turbo motor that hopefully will not hurt the mpg too much.
The more powerful 1.5 litre turbocharged engine gets its fair degree of separation from the base engine, with the obvious being the inclusion of a turbocharger – in this case, a Mono scroll turbo system with an electric wastegate and intercooler. This allows for turbo boost to be built up with relatively small throttle openings and low rpm. Direct injection is also part of the turbo unit’s specifications, featuring a computer-controlled system with multi-hold fuel injectors, which allow for a compression ratio of 10.6:1. Smaller M12 spark plugs are installed instead of the common M14 ones as well.
So the boost is like a blower or super charger?Turbos are a mixed bag. They are efficient when you want them to be. But you have to be off the boost. CVT will mitigate some of this. But ultimately if you mash the pedal, expect a 25-35% drop in efficiency (or more).
