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Volkswagen Das Auto (with Das Cheating Software)

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Been following the news about Volkswagen like a disastertourist lately.
I'm really amused as I must say.
(in short: Volkswagen in crisis after scandal leaking
where they deliberately used cheating software to lower emissions during tests
while their dieselcars emission levels on the road are so much higher in realtime
America discovered and unveiled this fraude, GOD BLESS AMERICA)

anyway they say in the news that all car manufactures cheat
trying to lower their dieselemissionlevels on their cars.
Could Honda have done this as well?
considering their dieselmarket is extremely limited to
the 1.6 here in Europe and the 1.5 in India (if I'm not mistaken)

Any thoughts? I'm just bitten by the idea of just the possibility.
Volkswagen is looking at the biggest fine ever: 18billion dollars
and their marketvalue has dropped a whoooole lot.
They just put aside over 6 billion euro's to cover the first part of this financial misery :surprise:
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It's smart for them but horrible for consumers, they make a killing from the start and with what they end up having to pay in the end, they still come out on top. With big brands there's a lot of loyal customers that will still stick with the brand even when real concerns like this come up.
If they still make a profit ultimately from the decision to cheat, then the penalty is not severe enough. Remember that its not just the fine, its also lost customers in the future, the buyback of vehicles, and a huge loss in stock price.

Years later, it would be very interesting to see an analysis on this as to how much they made and how much they lost because of the whole thing.
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You see the same thing happening in big pharma... They release new meds knowing full well there are potentially deadly long term use side effects. BUT. They make so much money selling the drug initially that by time the lawsuits for wrongful death and such start coming around, they spend a fraction of it getting themselves through court and still come out will billions to spare.

I'm torn to think, does big money make people terrible or are terrible people better at making big money?
Did you see this story about a guy who marked up a drug about 5000%?

The drug company Turing Pharmaceuticals is under fire after a New York Times article published Sunday detailing how it raised the price of a toxoplasmosis drug by more than 5,000 percent after acquiring the drug in August. One tablet of Daraprim used to cost $13.50; now, after its acquisition by Turing, it costs $750 per tablet.
Oh yes. i've kept updated on it. He's now marking it back down again after all the hate he got online. They're saying he's currently the most hated man in america.
"The most hated man in America" -- that is an impressive feat given that he has some very, very stiff competition.

I think that he didn't really have a choice though. Even if what he did was technically legal, in the court of public opinion it was egregious. People literally need this medicine to live. I can guarantee you that either he backed down, or died by some means of mob justice.

Especially when you are doing this with a drug that has to do with the HIV community, you are really taking on quite the force. Back in the 80s, people with HIV organized to get medication costs decreased and released. So they have a whole infrastructure.

Anyway, this guy is really one of the most despicable people I have ever heard of. I would say that he is worse than VW. Not that they are comparable.
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Apparently all heads of R+D at VW brands are suspended, but who knows what suspended will turn into. I think at this point whoever is in charge of this is trying to figure out who knew and who didn't. Germany is investigating so that could produce something, but corporate crime usually goes unpunished. Pay a fine and move on. Spend a lot on PR.
And once they "fix" it, the car will be way worse. Worse performance and fuel economy, but it will pollute less. The fix will not make people any happier.
European jurisdictions were already clamping down on diesel. Now they are only emboldened. With that being restricted so much, I think that diesel has definitely seen its best days behind it.

The revelation last month of Volkswagen’s deception, which involved fitting diesel engines with software to cheat U.S. checks on NOx emissions, has left Europe rushing to address weaknesses in its regulatory system. The commission, the 28-nation EU’s executive arm, aims for the bloc’s governments to vote on its proposal for tougher tests by the end of October. A weighted majority of EU governments is needed for any proposal on real-driving emissions, or RDE, to be approved.
Paris is trying to ban diesel vehicles by 2020 in the downtown core. It will just make the market for diesel smaller if policies like these catch on.
But in this case people will see their fuel efficiency and performance in the name of emissions which they don't really experience in the same way. I wouldn't be happy about that.
Once there is a crack, it spreads quickly. Increased scrutiny will reveal more lies and deceptions. It's just sad.

Shipping is the source of a lot of emissions too, so this compounded with the other scandal is starting to add up to a pretty significant amount of pollution.
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