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I'm looking to buy a LX manual hatch. No dealers around me stock these so I was going to order. It's late July, should I wait until the 2018 build? Googling around, I haven't found anything on the 2018s. What are the new/dropped features for 2018? When can you order a 2018 hatch? Thanks!
 

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I'm in the same boat with a Sport...
I've been reading reviews, and there's the usual pros and cons from reviewers.


Bear in mind, no automaker will make mid-cycle changes unless they can justify the risk, time, and expense of offering the changes... like Honda had when they were positively taking a beating in every car review for not having a volume knob. They made the change, because the negative publicity was hurting their sales.


One of other [albeit less] common complaints I read about the 2017 Sport is that you can't even get the Honda Sense safety suite as an option. It's one of my own personal complaints. I'd opt for the safety suite if I could (without going to the dead-cow-clad Touring). So I've been searching for any info on 2018 Civics to see if it might be available on the 2018 model - and... the rumor mill seems mum on ANY news.

One statistic that I DID find is that Civic sales are up, and the hatch has been particularly well received by customers, and that may be the only news needed:
That means that Honda isn't hurting - so there's no reason for them to make mid-cycle changes.

I'd hate to buy a 2017 Sport and eat my words in a matter of months... but I'm growing confident that there won't be any changes to the 2018 hatchbacks or new options at all. It would be news, there would be leaks, there would be rumors, if there were changes - there would be anticipation, anticipation caused by some pain, like the volume knobs - and there would be articles speculating over rumors at least.


It is always nice to have a car with a model year that's one-up from the current year - it somehow makes it feel newer, longer. But I'm pretty confident that's the only benefit you'll get by waiting.
 

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I thought of grabbing "18, but changed my mind as for now and will wait for "19 version to get released so I can order it on DSRLeasing.
 

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I'm waiting for the 2018 hatchback. I like the Sport Touring but really want to see a volume knob and proper blind spot sensors added, and perhaps some other minor improvements and updates. The 2018 Accord can read road signs whatever that means... maybe that will be on the 2018 Civic.

Why does Consumer Reports have a low reliability rating on the Civic though? That worries me.....
 

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I thought of grabbing "18, but changed my mind as for now and will wait for "19 version to get released so I can order it on DSRLeasing.
what is DSRLeasing?

True story: I just leased rather than bought a '17 sport because it wasn't offered with exactly what I was looking for (interestingly enough, the Canadian Sport w. Honda Sense is exactly what I want), and I figure that buys me 3 years with a "fun enough" car, and 3 years down the road... We'll see!
 

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Car model years always change before the calendar year change.
The real question is whether it will be as insignificant as a simple single-digit change on the brochure. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on that being all that it is.

If you are looking for actual changes to the car, that is unlikely to occur until 2020.... possibly even 2021 as Honda has slooowly been extending their generations of Civics.

As mentioned, with the sales figures in the positive as they are, Honda is unlikely to be motivated to make even minor changes - like returning volume knobs to infotainment systems (which they did this model year - mid-generation - in response to heavy panning of that specific item in the automotive press, which was suppressing sales).

I'd love to see any leaks, discussion, insider-information, or other buzz that shows anything to the contrary, however. Without that, I think the silence across the automotive press backs up my business-based hypothesis. Honda doesn't make changes for the sake (and risk) of change. ;)
 

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I thought many (most?) model year changes had at least some minor updates? Although I know when I bought my 2012 Fit that the 2013 was out and I carefully checked to see what the difference was and in that case there really wasn't any except maybe an extra color option or something.

But what do you mean that they returned the volume knob mid-generation? Do some 2017 Civic Hatchbacks (other than the base model) have volume knobs if they are newer (past mid-2017)???
 

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I thought many (most?) model year changes had at least some minor updates? Although I know when I bought my 2012 Fit that the 2013 was out and I carefully checked to see what the difference was and in that case there really wasn't any except maybe an extra color option or something.

But what do you mean that they returned the volume knob mid-generation? Do some 2017 Civic Hatchbacks (other than the base model) have volume knobs if they are newer (past mid-2017)???
Yes, I test drove a Sport Hatch which has the base head unit with volume knobs...
And test drove one hatch with all the bells and whistles safety features, volume slider on the steering wheel, touchscreen etc. and had a volume knob as well.
I decided to lease the hatch... I'm betting in 3 years they'll offer both Honda Sense and Android Auto on the Sport, and I'll be a buyer.

But yes - they made changes to the 2017 already, and as mentioned it's "the" thing that required addressing.
If it weren't for that, believe me, I'd be saying "The automotive press is beating them up over this volume knob thing... I'd cross my fingers for the return of volume knobs for 2018" but they took that a step further and added them already to the 2017's.
I don't think there's any matters of complaint remaining, from that angle.

What may happen year-to-year is similar to my Optima that I just had... Kia poached Audi's lead designer and some engineers, and came out with a pretty sporty driving sedan - had that European feel to it. Unfortunately, this is America and they are selling to Americans, so in the three short years since I picked up that Optima, they've decided to soften the spring rates a bit, and loosen the car up, so it's more of a family sedan than a sport sedan now. That same thing could presumably happen with the Civic, but I personally wouldn't call that a good thing (as it is, the Civic is softer and rolls more than my far-heavier Optima did in hard cornering). Cross your fingers that's not something they'd change for 2018.

My money is that the 2017 will be exactly the same... but there are a few other oddities that raise eyebrows - note Honda wouldn't change these unless they believe they are costing money and not effectively pushing "upgraders" into higher models:
  • The Sport doesn't include the remote start that's on almost every other Civic. It's feasible they deem it cheaper to just do it one way across all models.
  • The Sport doesn't have Honda Sense available. It IS available with it in Canada (among other countries), so this wouldn't be difficult to offer in the states either.
Granted, it's the model I most deeply looked into, but it's the odd-bird in the lineup, so I'd expect changes there, if anywhere. Especially if Honda is (and they ARE) looking to this generation to restore their image as an engineering and performance brand, attracting enthusiastic customers like they used to. The Sport would seem to be a cornerstone model for that. The other models - it's really hard to find areas where you'd wish to improve them, for the target customer demographic they are aimed at.
 

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What kind of improvements are you hoping to see in the 2018 MY?
I want the Civic Sport Touring. My wife has the 2017 CR-V.... so two of the change I'm wanting is a volume knob and "proper" blind spot sensors like on the 2017 CR-V, along with any other minor tweaks, improvements, and refinements. Parking sensors would be awesome too.....
 

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Yes, I test drove a Sport Hatch which has the base head unit with volume knobs...
And test drove one hatch with all the bells and whistles safety features, volume slider on the steering wheel, touchscreen etc. and had a volume knob as well.
Wow... that's very interesting... I guess if I decide to get the 2017 then at least I would make sure it was one of the newer ones with the knob.
 

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I want the Civic Sport Touring. My wife has the 2017 CR-V.... so two of the change I'm wanting is a volume knob and "proper" blind spot sensors like on the 2017 CR-V, along with any other minor tweaks, improvements, and refinements. Parking sensors would be awesome too.....
That's the mid-year change to the 2017. No need to wait, that's what's on dealer lots.

Not sure on parking sensors - I believe parking sensors were obsoleted by backup cameras industry-wide. I haven't seen them on new cars in years and years. Also, Honda trickles technology down - I test drove a TLX I was considering, and don't recall it being available on that car, backup camera was on every model of it though.

If you really want them for some reason, they are very inexpensive in the aftermarket - you have to drill holes for most though, and then it leaves that "dotted" back bumper look.


I also saw those "proper" (microwave) blind spot monitors... full disclosure: personally I'm a fan of seeing first-hand, so I really like Honda's camera-based system, but I'd prefer the screen in the rear-view mirror, since you look there naturally at any rate...
The aftermarket ones I saw CAN hide behind a bumper, and do allow you to put a discreet LED indicator on your sail panel right by the side mirror you look at naturally anyway... but those microwave based ones were a few hundred bucks, and you'd likely have to fabricate some brackets to mount those microwave sensors behind your rear bumper.
Would be a fun install for a guy like me who enjoys fabricating and integrating, but most people aren't like me. :laugh:
 

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you get the volume knob on the LX and sport models (base audio unit). i believe the volume knob also comes on the audio unit that includes NAV & HD. the unit in between those, EX and above, doesn't have a volume knob

checked further....volume knob is not on the Nav model in the civic. it is however, available on the CRV NAV unit.
 

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That's the mid-year change to the 2017. No need to wait, that's what's on dealer lots.

Not sure on parking sensors - I believe parking sensors were obsoleted by backup cameras industry-wide. I haven't seen them on new cars in years and years. Also, Honda trickles technology down - I test drove a TLX I was considering, and don't recall it being available on that car, backup camera was on every model of it though.

If you really want them for some reason, they are very inexpensive in the aftermarket - you have to drill holes for most though, and then it leaves that "dotted" back bumper look.


I also saw those "proper" (microwave) blind spot monitors... full disclosure: personally I'm a fan of seeing first-hand, so I really like Honda's camera-based system, but I'd prefer the screen in the rear-view mirror, since you look there naturally at any rate...
The aftermarket ones I saw CAN hide behind a bumper, and do allow you to put a discreet LED indicator on your sail panel right by the side mirror you look at naturally anyway... but those microwave based ones were a few hundred bucks, and you'd likely have to fabricate some brackets to mount those microwave sensors behind your rear bumper.
Would be a fun install for a guy like me who enjoys fabricating and integrating, but most people aren't like me. :laugh:
I checked the photos on Honda's website and they are not showing a volume knob on the Sport Touring.... but like you said, maybe there are some out there.

I thought I saw a Civic with parking sensors in some video I was watching... I was thinking maybe they put them in the Civics overseas like in the UK? Does anyone know? I think it would be nice to have on the top trim...

Oh, forgot to mention, I was also hoping for more comfortable seats - like with lumbar support like in the 2017 CR-V.

I am not the kind of person to want to add aftermarket stuff... about the extent of what I want to do is upgrade the license plate frames. :)
 

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Why theres a dif in the US/Canada sport models?

We get the bigger radio, touch volume control on our sports - our fully loaded touring can be ordered with manual.

let's see whats in store when the new accord comes out!
 

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I thought I saw a Civic with parking sensors in some video I was watching... I was thinking maybe they put them in the Civics overseas like in the UK? Does anyone know? I think it would be nice to have on the top trim...
Don't know - I always think of them as "generation one" technology that's since been obsoleted by backup cameras being "generation two" technology.
I could see the argument that both would be nice - but I also see so, so, so many cars out there with backup sensors that don't work anymore, and just as bad - they look like bumper chicken pox. I think "all the above" is why you see cars available today with cameras, but not sensors. Seems that "generation one" technology is problem-ridden and ugly.


Oh, forgot to mention, I was also hoping for more comfortable seats - like with lumbar support like in the 2017 CR-V.
I'm slightly disappointed in the seats. My '95 Civic had seats with bolsters, that held me in place - I was proud that my 5'8", 170lb self fit the seats well. They were firm but comfortable, because they held you where you should be!
Sadly, over the years, I think Honda decided they DIDN'T fit too many overweight 'Muricans, and as a result they flattened and/or removed the seat bolsters... my seats just feel flat in my '17.

I am not the kind of person to want to add aftermarket stuff... about the extent of what I want to do is upgrade the license plate frames. :)
I'm in that boat myself, largely because I decided to lease my '17, hedging my bet that they won't be changing the Sport model (the one I like) to make available the safety features and heated seats (like the Canadian Sport model has) during this run... but thinking they may be available by 2020. I'd be a buyer rather than a leaser when that's available... or by then I'll have done more research on the dealer-based limitations of importing a Canadian car (if not for those, otherwise it's ~$650 plus a half day at the border exchanging DOT and EPA paperwork), or will simply buy a 2-3 year old low-mileage Canadian Sport model after turning mine in... or perhaps a 2-3 year old low-mileage American EX-L with Honda Sense and the Sport body parts, exhaust, and wheels wouldn't be prohibitively expensive like I believe they actually are. :laugh:

If not for the lease - I'm a lifelong (since getting my license in the early '91) car customizer, and Honda enthusiast, myself.
 
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