[TomMead]

We are QUITE positive in these discussions, which is understandable. But, what have you found that's NOT lovely. I'll start with just two comments, OK...? (car is 2017 Honda Civic SI, white.) And I should say: I have NOT given the MANUAL (the book in the glove-box) nearly enough time.

Here goes:

1) Hill-hold. It's amazing & helpful, until suddenly it isn't. I would NOT mind having a good old-fashioned hand-brake back.

2) Down-shifting. There's not much EFFECT, is there...? I mean: the car is not SLOWED much. Is it my imagination, or is this real...? Is this due to the tiny-ness of the engine...?

 

[hfpdohc]

i dont like rev hang at all..........

 

[ClarkS]

miss V-tec and so much more

I've gone from my go-cart-like, high-reving, blast-to-drive, V-tec 2007 Si to my new 2017, disappointing, white Si. The difference is night and day and not necessarily in a good way. I miss meaningful downshifts that I can actually feel, a healthy exhaust note and instant acceleration. I can do without all of the electronics in the '17, too.
My new Si feels like I'm driving a limousine NOT a sports car. If I had it to do all over again, I would have kept my '07.

 

[B20Vtec]

This is all to be expected from these new vehicles. Driving manual is simply not the same that it was and it just won't be. All these drive by wire things and electronics, you can't bang gears and really feel like you're putting in work anymore.

 

[barenaked]

This is all to be expected from these new vehicles. Driving manual is simply not the same that it was and it just won't be. All these drive by wire things and electronics, you can't bang gears and really feel like you're putting in work anymore.

Amen brother! The GDI engine is very sophisticated, and somewhat similar to the jet fighters of today in that they really won't work without the sophisticated electronics. A stab at the throttle doesn't necessarily mean that you will get a response from the engine until it is damned well ready to produce, and when you're rowing through the gears you typically NEED the precision response of the throttle to get the most out of it, performance-wise anyway.

Having driven both the 6-speed and the CVT it was clear to me quickly that the car is a much better driver with the CVT, and the performance really doesn't suffer much. I miss the third pedal of my 2007 EX Coupe, and I also miss that "athletic shoe" styling, but I use my car more for commuting than as a canyon carver anyway, so in my personal case the CVT was the better choice.

So, to pacify my urges for that third pedal I'm now shopping for a nice little project; I've been looking at second generation Supra's, early Celica's, and a variety of Honda Si models from the way-back machine (CR-X and 3-door Civic's). Finding non-abused versions of these is proving difficult, though.

Fortunately, I don't need one tomorrow . . . But I want one yesterday.

Mike

 

[barenaked]

i dont like rev hang at all..........

Don't blame you at all, but it's a necessity; a function of the GDI system. With the fuel pumped in as precisely as it is and the variable valve timing attempting to do a little scavenging to improve both performance and emissions, the motor simply cannot allow the airflow to simply shut down and go from high load to high vacuum, especially with 10.6:1 compression going on alongside forced induction.

I've posted this video elsewhere, but it's a good generic primer on the overall function of the GDI engine. It's helpful to understand why these motors are different from a "regular" gas example, and why they simply won't behave the same. The short answer is: They can't, at least not yet.

Mike

 

[Doc_C]

The rev hang is for emissions. Annoying, yet there. :/ Hopefully the Hondata tune will eventually get rid of it.

There's an Engineer Explained video doing a review and they talk about how a Honda Engineer confirmed it was for emissions :/

 

[Art123]

2017 Civic SI

The car is great and I like it a lot. There are couple things that I would change to make the car even better.

1. Hondata tune is needed - FlashPro Civic Si 2017+ Turbo 1.5 US
2. Stereo System is weak and sound quality is cheap.
3. Rev hang is annoying, but I can live with that. What it needs is downshift rev matching. (Mainly for track) Hondata? Maybe?

Other than that I can't complain, Honda did a great job on a small 1.5 engine and the car overall.

 

[Janos1]

My biggest beef with the "interface" of this car is the lack of a volume knob and climate control knobs/buttons. Having to press a button to bring up a touch screen just to change the fan speed or turn the AC on or off IMO feels very cumbersome. I'd give up the "dual zone" temperature knob for a fan speed knob like some of the other models have, in a heartbeat.

I got somewhat used to the lack of a volume knob on the '14 Si but still found it to be an annoying step backwards.

 

[10genSi]

My biggest beef with the "interface" of this car is the lack of a volume knob and climate control knobs/buttons. Having to press a button to bring up a touch screen just to change the fan speed or turn the AC on or off IMO feels very cumbersome. I'd give up the "dual zone" temperature knob for a fan speed knob like some of the other models have, in a heartbeat.

I got somewhat used to the lack of a volume knob on the '14 Si but still found it to be an annoying step backwards.

I can definitely agree with this although I have quickly adapted to it and I normally use the steering wheel mounted volume control anyway.

 

[ClarkS]

Update: I did a Hondata FlashPro on my new Si last week. Huge difference! Now very little rev hang and noticeable difference in immediate acceleration.
Now lovin' my new Si !

 

[geolemon]

1) I would NOT mind having a good old-fashioned hand-brake back.

THIS!
Honestly I wouldn't mind the electric E-brake, even as uneventful as it feels to push and pull that little mini-lever switch...
...IF I could release the E-brake without pressing the brake pedal down!
For emergency maneuvers on the snowy roads we drive on ALL winter in Buffalo, NY - this is an absolute killer.
Does anyone know if there's a simple mod or fix to eliminate that brake-press requirement?

2) Down-shifting. There's not much EFFECT, is there...? I mean: the car is not SLOWED much. Is it my imagination, or is this real...? Is this due to the tiny-ness of the engine...?

I was thinking this was because of the CVT - my first CVT. Definitely less engine braking force than downshifting my old 2.5L Optima 6-speed auto... The CVT tries to simulate 7 gears, so I am noting it takes 2 or 3 blips of the '-' paddle to get any real engine braking...
But if you are also experiencing it with the stickshift, then it's got to be the engine.

 

[geolemon]

Complaints compared to previous car:

• No upper compartment to hold sunglasses.
• Voice commands (I have the base system on the Sport) are terrible - you have to pre-record names to call, and it doesn't actually "do" anything (like "change station to preset 2", or "mute!" or "play CD track 2"... oh wait, that's right, there's no CD...
• No power seats in lower trims (would have to get the Touring, which then penalizes you with leather surfaces)
• Raised trunk floor for the center exhaust (didn't realizes this until I got the car)
• Center exhaust means no trailer hitch possible... no friendly-lift bike rack, no mini-trailer, no cargo tray...
• No auto-dimming mirror

Also - I didn't like that I couldn't get the Honda Sense safety features on the Sport model... in Canada it is available, and comes with heated seats. I live on the Canadian border in Buffalo, NY and drive rush-hour daily, so all are appreciated. It's why I chose to lease rather than buy, actually... hedging my bet for 3 years that it'll be included/available by then.

Going to resolve some of these in the aftermarket (lease-be-damned... these will all be reversible):

• Auto-dimming rear mirror - possibly one with LCD, to allow me to add adhesive-mounted side-mirror blind spot cameras, switched on via a pulse-relay tied to the turn signals.
• Overhead sunglasses compartment that replaces the pull-down handle over the door
• Eliminate the spare/add small subwoofer/carpeted false floor which will be lower than stock.

 

[rushwal]

I don't like that Honda gives you these extra button locations all over, but doesn't ever give you buttons for them. I want to set up two garage door opener buttons at least. the blanks are there, but the buttons aren't.

 

[geolemon]

I don't like that Honda gives you these extra button locations all over, but doesn't ever give you buttons for them. I want to set up two garage door opener buttons at least. the blanks are there, but the buttons aren't.

That's a great idea...
I'd love to bury my garage door opener - but as you mention, you'd want a factory switch to replace it. I bought them on my '95 back in the day (a sunroof switch and a foglight switch), I'd think you could get them at the Honda parts counter. Of course you'll OEM-parts prices...

Another thought is this:


I see my TPMS button doesn't seem to do anything, at least on short-press (I'm assuming maybe if I long-press it it'll reset?).
You could simply T-tap that wire, run it to a relay, and run the relay output to your garage door opener switch, if you are comfortable taking it apart and doing a little soldering (to each side of the switch).

Would seem to have little penalty other than you wouldn't want to hold that button down...:laugh:


[edit: note I haven't actually tried this, nor do I really understand how that TPMS button works, so you'll want to test all this before committing!]

 

[barenaked]

I see my TPMS button doesn't seem to do anything, at least on short-press (I'm assuming maybe if I long-press it it'll reset?).

[edit: note I haven't actually tried this, nor do I really understand how that TPMS button works, so you'll want to test all this before committing!]

Yes, it appears that "press and hold" is how your TPMS button operates. On my EX model the TPMS calibration is in one of the deep and lengthy sub-menus accessed through the Infotainment system.

 

[geolemon]

Yes, it appears that "press and hold" is how your TPMS button operates. On my EX model the TPMS calibration is in one of the deep and lengthy sub-menus accessed through the Infotainment system.

Thanks - does that mean you don't have that button? Might be a button you could add, if so.
If you do have that button, and try what I suggest - I truly believe the worst case is if you ever long-press it, it would start the recalibration process... and open your garage door.

But certainly, again, test it out. I'm tempted to try it myself, once I catch some free time. I have a few Bosch-style relays lying around.

 

[barenaked]

Thanks - does that mean you don't have that button?

Noop! I have the VSA cancel button and all the rest are blanks over there. I could buy a TPMS button (comes as TPMS and VSA cancel button, all-in-one - #35300-TBA-A01) and use it over there I suppose.

Also, as the button in a garage door opener is usually a simple momentary contact switch I wouldn't think you'd need to wire in relays for the operation; a simple pushbutton of whatever configuration would work. Also, many of the openers today use a 12V photo battery for power, and one could tap into the car's electrical to power a remote buried way up under the dashboard if they were getting this far anyway. Helps to prevent theft!

Mike

 

[geolemon]

...the button in a garage door opener is usually a simple momentary contact switch I wouldn't think you'd need to wire in relays for the operation; a simple pushbutton of whatever configuration would work.

That's true IF you are using adding a switch in a dedicated, single purpose way. Then you can just wire it across your remote's switch. If T-tapping into an existing switch like my car, you'll want to isolate them properly with a relay.

Personally, I'd still try to be a little sophisticated, in one of two ways:

Either wire in a 2-conductor quick disconnect so you can change the battery easily, or even better wire in a battery eliminator type DC-to-DC of the correct voltage so you never have to change batteries.

Or, skip all that - what I may do since "no auto-dimming mirror" is on my personal list: buy an aftermarket dimming mirror with Homelink buttons. Twofer.

 

[hawk02]

Overall build quality, kinda made like tin foil, poor carpet fit and quality. Just poor/cheap materials all over the car, looked great whan I 1st saw it but after 10 months of ownership I really regret getting it, yes I know it's an economy car not a BMW BUT that's no excuse for a $24 car to be made like crap and lowest bidder parts. I mean when you wash the car the body panels buckle and the interior carpet fits like crap and it's made like the felt I used to glue together in nursery school.....that's it. And YES, the 1st good offer on a trade in it will be going.......